In this week’s episode of StoryDads, Eric and Micah dive into Disney’s 1942 classic, Bambi — a deceptively simple story that laid the foundation for nearly every coming-of-age tale that followed. Beneath the soft watercolor woods and gentle score lies a profound meditation on growth, loss, and legacy. The hosts unpack why Bambi still resonates across generations, exploring how its timeless themes of innocence, death, and rebirth mirror the real work of growing up — for kids and parents alike. From its stunning animation to its emotional storytelling, Bambi marked a turning point in Disney history. Eric and Micah trace its origins back to the 1923 novel and the studio’s early experiments in realism, calling it “the CGI of its time.” The film’s painstakingly hand-painted forests, the weight of its silences, and the expressiveness of its animal characters make it one of the most visually poetic films ever made. But beyond its beauty, Bambi reveals something deeper: the moment when childhood ends, and life demands maturity — often through heartbreak. The hosts explore the movie’s central loss — the death of Bambi’s mother — as both a narrative necessity and a universal rite of passage. They connect it to the broader archetype of the orphaned hero, from Simba to Luke Skywalker to Harry Potter. Every generation, they argue, must face the same realization: that our guides won’t always be there, and that adulthood begins the moment we step forward without them. Through that lens, Bambi isn’t just a story about nature; it’s a myth about becoming human. They also examine how Bambi’s themes of sex, fertility, and legacy subtly define its message. In a world obsessed with self-focus and perpetual youth, Bambi reminds us that the goal isn’t to stay the “young prince” forever — it’s to carry the mantle for a time, then pass it on. The hosts reflect on how this mirrors modern parenthood: the call to raise the next generation, resist material distraction, and live for something larger than oneself. From the innocence of Thumper and Flower to the courage of Bambi’s father, every moment in the forest points toward continuity — life giving way to life. In their signature StoryDads style, Eric and Micah weave personal reflections and humor into deeper philosophical takes. They discuss the film’s biblical undertones, the confrontation between good and evil (“Man in the forest” as a stand-in for chaos itself), and how facing loss becomes the defining act of maturity. They even find modern parallels in Jurassic Park, The Lion King, and Lady and the Tramp — each echoing the lessons that began with a frightened fawn learning to stand on his own. Ultimately, this StoryDads episode celebrates Bambi as both art and allegory — a story about grief, courage, and the sacred rhythm of generations. It’s a reminder that beauty, like legacy, is something we tend, not something we own. Whether you’re revisiting this classic with your kids or watching it through adult eyes for the first time, this conversation will make you see Bambi — and maybe your own life’s circle — in a brand-new way.
Hey, everyone. Thanks for joining us on today's episode. We're talking Bambi. It's a classic. It's one that is foundational to so much of what we get into. We talk about sex. We talk about coming of age. We talk about being an orphan. So yeah, stay tuned. There's some deep stuff. This will be fun. All right. Welcome back. This is episode 31, Micah. Oh my goodness. I know. How did we, how did we get it? We were going to stop at 20. We were going to stop at 20, but then we kept going and we got 10 more and we got a couple more we're recording today. So this is actually fun because we were starting to get into. You know, we, we had a bunch in the can that we've all worked through. So now we get to be a little more current. We're recording this episode Wednesday and it's going to come out tomorrow or maybe the day after. So like instant feedback on how good or bad our episodes are. Yeah, that's right. It's awesome. And then you'll be like in real time with, you know, whatever stupid thing is happening with my mustache. And then like, and what happened to your head, dude? I know. So my. My three-year-old had some big metal toy he was being a little punk with and acting out at the end of the night, was just throwing it around and boom, got me right there. So I got a little Harry Potter scar coming. Dude, for sure. We gotta roll into some Harry Potter one of these days. Yeah, that'd be fun. But today, today what are we doing? Today we have, well, it is hunting season, ladies and gentlemen. You are dressed for the occasion. It is deer season, baby. I am. You can't see me, I'm a floating head. So this episode, is Bambi. Nothing makes you want to get out there and harvest animals like getting to know them and their feelings and their aspirations, personalities. So, yep. Yeah, it's, so Bambi, it's 1942. This is old, old Disney. We haven't done, is this, what's the oldest Disney we've done? We've done 50s. We've done Peter Pan. Yeah, we, this might be. We did Dumbo. Is Dumbo before this? I gotta look. No, Bambi was released after Dumbo. Dumbo came out in 1941 and Bambi was 42, which is pretty crazy to think about that. Oh, those are back-to-back years, yeah. Back-to-back years, so they were hustling, and by the time, so they would have started the film, and there wasn't a World War going on, and then by the time they got around to it, like, there is one going on, and then by the time Bambi comes out, like, we're, what, at the end of that year, we actually joined the Second World War, which is pretty crazy. So there's a 1923 novel, called Bambi and originally MGM had purchased the screen rights to the novel in 1933 and they were going to make like a live action one which would be tough. live action with real deer. I mean, they weren't CGI-ing deer like they did in, you can call it a new Lion King live action. It's not, it's also terrible. And so that topic actually brings up kind of what What I think most stands out about this film is that it was the CGI of the time in a way that a lot of this movie, and we'll just dive right in, a lot of this movie to me seems like a tech demo in a way. Like, so, you know, the original film or the original book is, I think, I think the book was a love story. I think the whole nature of it is that it's a love story in the novel, which makes sense for the film, because we were just talking about like, oh, Bambi, the baby deer growing up and then fall in love with Feline. Yeah. Yeah. And that ultimately like the whole movie just culminates in like, Growing up going through adolescence and then having kids like that's what really what the whole movie is about Yeah in a nutshell, but it's a very simple coming-of-age story set in the woods with a deer yeah, but the the magic on screen seems to be just demonstrating what you know at the time there were there was only one real show in town when it came to animation. And if you wanted to see, I mean, there was also Warner Brothers, you know, they were doing stuff as well, but they were doing less of, you know, their stuff had a very different tone. Their stuff was a little more prime time and, you know, a little crazier and edgier. And then if you were gonna watch this experience with anthropomorphic animals. I mean, watching Bambi, like, I swear a third of the movie is just Bambi trying to walk. And, and, and it's, it's like, and good, because it's so well done. Like the animation is amazing. And the specificity in that they definitely they definitely capture, like, just the The way they anthropomorphize all the animals in there, I mean, they're animated characters, but you recognize your toddler learning to walk in that way the baby learns to walk, and there's a reason my little baby Bambi was put on every baby bib and things forever, because it evokes that connection. Yeah. Yeah. And it, the, the exercise as a storyteller, as an animator of simply expressing that, of bringing that to life at the time, it would have been completely novel and there weren't millions of hours of nature photography to watch on YouTube, you know, like this, other than living on a farm and seeing foals and calves, this would be it. This would be you getting to be present for this magic moment of a deer. That's interesting. You know, so, so there's a lot of that, that I think is easy to overlook as a modern viewer, but for a child, Like my, you know, my son's seven. He should be like too old for Bambi. But he's only been alive for seven years. And so his viewpoint, even as with the amount of things available to him now, as there are, his viewpoint is not unbelievably different than a seven year old in 1942. In that he's only taken in so much life. And so he was totally wrapped. like dialed in on Bambi and who's who and what's going on. And then, I mean, for my sake, I was too. Like the actual animation is so incredible. It would have been, and we're gonna, next up, we're recording a little preview. Next up, we're gonna talk about Jurassic Park. But in a way, Bambi is like North American park, You know, like, so for the audiences then, you know, this amazing ability and glimpse to see these animals behave in this way. Seeing the animals behaving and interacting, capturing the forest, capturing the forest, the aesthetic of all of it in various different seasons. I like that take on it really brings all of those things to life. This movie feels very like the aesthetic is the point. The story is, it's simple. It's a coming of age story as he goes through kind of various stages of life to where he's a grown, was it buck by the end, going from being a baby and an infant and losing his mom along the way. But the, yeah, the magic of it really happens in the aesthetics. Yeah. Yeah. The, the backgrounds are just beautifully rendered. And I don't know if it's squash or it's watercolor or a little mixture of both. It was probably acrylic paint, but it, these beautifully rendered backgrounds, great music. And then like, yeah, like as from the story standpoint, it's really this base hit, but it doesn't miss anything. You know, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't drop the ball. It, it, it, we, we get to see. this idea of, you know, manhood. We take this baby male deer. Yeah. And they call him, they call him the, the, the young Prince. Right. Yeah. And then we get to see a glimpse of his dad who like, dude, those antlers are crazy. Like you're damn right. Someone's shooting at that deer. And you know, he's got this crazy rack and just this monster big body deer. And what I love that they say about him is that he he's old and wise and brave. And it's sort of like, yeah, those are the two most important things to align is like, you got to be brave, but not stupid, because you got to live. And yeah, and his relationship with dad is not like, not bringing him along he shows up when it's like a critical moment like bambi's mother dies and he's there you know i i it's not it like you can intuit that like that's his father but it's not like because it's not like he's hanging there with his mom and mom's relying on on her husband there doesn't set it up like that which is probably very True to animal life. Yeah. I was going to say like, there's probably like nine other Bambi's out there. He's got some half brothers and sisters out there, but his mom dies and he shows up and it's just this very stoic, like, yeah, your mom's gone. She can't help you anymore. So time to time to grow up kid. Right. That's the message he gets. Yeah. And in the hero's journey, that's the inevitable. That's Obi-Wan dying. That's, you know, your, your, your guide and your sage. Yeah. The mentor character almost always dies. And yes. And, and just like in real life. And watch it. Exactly. So, cause I'm watching Bambi. I don't, it doesn't feel like a whole hero's journey story though, though that part is there. but it feels very true to life. Like at some point, your mentors will move on, your parents pass away in the circle of life and you, because what's interesting is right after that point, he meets up with his old buddies who he hadn't seen forever. So he's forming his own community and kind of taking his places, like being in charge of the forest there. So he's relying more on peers than he is parents to like uplift him and be his community now. Yeah and there's something about this story that is I think indicative of a lot of fairy tales and a lot of stories prior to, I guess, our common age, which is this cyclical idea. This one, it's a lot like, it opens similarly to Lion King. Like there's a lot of similarities in this one to Lion King and this like circle of life idea. But this, you know, your place in the progression of life as a whole. And maybe it's when I was born, maybe it was where I was born, But I feel like a lot of the messaging and storytelling given to me growing up wasn't about, here's where you fit in in the whole human story. It was about, you are the end of the human story. It's all, it all culminates in you and your generation and you getting out there and being the hero and changing the world. And like, and it all begins and ends with you and how amazing and special you are. And then that's it. And the, this Lady and the Tramp, you know, there's quite a few other stories like this where even Peter Pan is about maybe finding where you are in that life cycle. And that the story isn't about Bambi so much as it's about Bambi stepping into this, his calling and a larger natural order. And I think if you, it's a common theme that comes up in kids' movies, and it's a common theme that I'd say is, evokes a lot of emotion. For me as a parent in particular like if there's something heartbreaking about that message But also like so heartwarming at the same time and I think of I mean you've seen it over and over again We talked about it with with Bambi we talked about it Lion King and the circle of life and that inevitably means Mufasa dying I just watched land before time they mentioned the circle of life a lot in that and it is a Hey, eventually the people who came before you will pass on and you will have to take up the mantle, which is the reality of life. And it's a message that is very appropriate for kids. Yet as a parent, it breaks your heart that this is a message that is so appropriate for them as well. Well, and the idea that the purpose of that mantle is not that you have it. The purpose of that mantle is that you steward it until it's time for you to pass it on. There's a responsibility and a duty to manage that well. Yeah, and that I'm not the, like the mantle, I am not the point of the mantle. The mantle is the point of me. And I will carry this for a time and then I will hand it over and that'll be, and that that's the point. And so I, this, this came up, this was watching this and getting ready to get connected to, there's a woman in our community. She just turned 80 years old and she's, she's like a living Saint. She's. been all over the planet. She literally like raised her little children in a third world village in Northwestern Africa by choice when she could have done it amongst any number of leisures and conveniences. She's been all over the world. She's got kids, she's got grandkids. She is, she's wise, she's intelligent, she's compassionate. She has all the qualities that you would want. And someone who was going to like climb the corporate ladder, but she did this other thing instead, which was committing to a mantle and creating a legacy. And so we're sitting here at her 80th birthday, we're looking around and it's like. It's a glimpse of heaven. There's so many people who have been personally affected by her, whose lives have been tangibly improved or created in the first place, who are going out and making their own ripples in the universe, and that she could trade that for her own life being a point. And I was imagining what her 80th birthday would be like if that was the life she lived where it's like, cool, like you've got all these material comforts and nobody really knows you all that well. You're not all that close to people, but like, wow, those sure did turn in like great revenue reports for your shareholders and going, man, like no one in the world would trade that one for hers once you're there at that point in life. And I think that's a form of virtue and a thing to aspire to that popularly feels lost. And maybe there's a whole section of the world that I don't know about that I wasn't raised in where that's not where that's very front and center in terms of what people want for their lives. Yeah. Do you think there's something about stage of life too? Cause I look at the stage of life you and I are in, I'm 38 and people were raising kids. You want to provide for your family. Inevitably the keeping up with the Joneses things comes in people around you have more things or less things in the comparison and, and all of that. And it is, I, I think at this stage of life, more than any other for me, it's just so easy to fall into that line of thinking. And I look at. what you're talking about with this woman at 80, it's not succumbing to that temptation to organize your whole life around that. And that's not saying don't do what you need to do to make money and provide for your family and the material comforts is not the problem. But if that is the focus, if that's the pursuit, if that is the goal, then well, you're not carrying the mantle we're talking about that Bambi brings up well, and you miss out on that by the time you get to that stage in life. Yeah, yeah. And so to look at someone and know, oh, whenever she was at the point in life where you and I are now, and I'm 45, but I spent a bunch of time chasing aspirations and dreams and kind of set myself behind in a lot of ways. And but but but that she didn't get distracted. She did not take whatever bait or whichever path that is that. Where where the self where the mantle is supplanted by the self. And right. And I so I suppose you got to believe in a mantle to begin with and care. That there is a purpose beyond just you, beyond you being the one who's front and center, beyond you living for your own circumstances. What that would be if Bambi just grew up and it was all about him being... little prince who stays little prince forever and as long as I get to be the focus of everyone in my life like then you wouldn't have a good story I'll tell you that yeah yeah but but we we are very early on presented with this majesty and the majesty is described as brave and wise and and so that's pretty good so Yeah, the film, you know, it's a short film. We have a tendency to talk about films longer than some of the actual films. So I really don't know where else to go with this. Well, the one other point I wanted to bring up was the theme that this gets into. You see it across a lot of stories. Bambi's mother dies. There's something storytelling about your hero being an orphan. And, I mean, every hero's journey it's a common thing it's luke skywalker it's harry potter it's simba it's named countless others put them in the comments king arthur i mean it's always always an orphan yeah and so so why why is that why is that such a important piece because it's, it's important enough that it comes up over and over again. Yeah. Well, part of it is I think psychologically we all hit a point where we realize we're sort of orphans. Like when, when we outgrow our parents or when we recognize that they're just human, you know, there, there's this idea, you know, as a child where. I think my parents have all the answers. And then there's a point where you recognize like, oh, they're all just figuring this out. So I really don't like that idea of mother and father dies for everybody. That my parents will be able to sweep in and fix whatever problem I have. And they're going to be the higher power that restores me here. Yeah. Every one of us, I think with decent maturity process reaches a point where we become metaphorical orphans sooner or later, no matter what. And then in the normal course of life, you become a literal orphan at some point. Both of my parents are orphans. They've outlived both their parents. And, and And so we all, you know, most of us will do that. And then we metaphorically all outgrow them at some point. If you have a, like a standard sort of healthy maturing process. That's me talking out of my untrained so you would have to correct me on that one. Everyone, thanks for tuning into Story Dads. Please make a point to go like, comment, and subscribe. Also, don't forget to leave us a review. They help us out a lot. And back to the story. if fifth I'm the oldest now. I'm like, there's no, I'm the oldest generation. There's no mom or dad. And I think recognizing like your own mortality. I think that there's, there's many different waves of that we go through throughout our life. What you brought up, like, okay, there's things I know that like my parents don't know in ways like I've mature, maybe not necessarily beyond them, but like in different ways and ways you recognize like, Oh, I'm, I'm the responsible one in the room again, if we grow up in a responsible, mature way. Yeah, I think that I think there's also a thing like with Harry Potter and Luke Skywalker, it's the like, I recognize there's something else out there. There's an empty space and it's the magic that comes in to fill the void. Hey, you actually have this history. Hey, you have, I mean, you know, with Bambi on a certain level, I know we're kind of double-clicking beyond just the Bambi story here. He's the young prince, right? And then what does that mean and entail? He has to discover that over his whole life beyond just what his mother will tell him, what his family will tell him. Harry Potter, you have this whole epic backstory. Luke, you have your father and everything. You were an integral part of the order of the whole galaxy. And I think deep down, we have this longing to have that sense of importance in our own life, that our life means something of cosmic importance. And the blank space that comes with the orphan story, I think, fits into that. Yeah, and then I think in this moment, I'm realizing there might be another layer to that where There's something with these heroes that's different than just like their parents, you know, getting dementia or cancer and passing away in a bed. It's that they're taken from them and their parents are taken from them by a force that they eventually have to confront. And on an ancestral level, you know, if we consider like the Adam and Eve, if we're gonna go full, like full mythos and like full C.S. Lewis and go to like our first father and our first mother, right? And they were taken from us. We are all orphans in that way. They were taken from us by, you know, by the devil and the devil steals, kills and destroys. And so these forces of theft, murder and destruction and this, which is the hunters, you know, man has come into the forest and it's Voldemort. It's Darth Vader, who is, who is his father that killed his father. There's an unnatural presence that comes in that. Yes. And so then calling is to go confront that thing. Cause all of these heroes go out and confront that thing. And so in the, in the, the legend that, you know, you and I live in and this, yeah. We're called to go out and confront the works of the devil. And so whether the devil is a literal figure or a metaphorical figure, it is theft, destruction, and murder. So it is in confronting that thing that took our parents away from us that we mature and that we become the thing that we aspire to be, which is either Bambi's like, dope, big-chested dad, or it's, you know, the unfallen Vader, or it's, you know, that thing that can stand up to Voldemort, or it's the pattern of Christ to stand up to and undo the works of the devil. And so that might be what's really nested deep in that orphan idea as well. It's like, not only are you an orphan, but you are unjustly an orphan. And the real call to adventure is to go confront that thing that made you an orphan. Right. So, I can't remember, does Bambi confront the hunter? Or is that... Kind of, like he... You know, the hunting standards and the standards of outdoorsmanship in the 1940s were a little different than they are now. But like these dudes that go into the woods are just like... Wild man, but you're shooting at everything that moves leaving their campfire unattended, you know They've got like this pack of angry dogs that they unleash and like I just love that like Bambi fights off more dogs than a grizzly bear, you know This dump deer it with like, you know a little four-pointer is able to fight off those things and also like Deer don't know that they can use their antlers on things other than other antlers, you know. The kicking thing is right, you know, they'll kick the hell out of stuff. But yeah, like it's so funny that he's just like just brawling with all these dogs. And it's like, dude, those dogs, like they use dogs to take down lions, man. Like I think that deer is toast. But anyway, yeah, he's got to find out something. Yeah, he, there's this danger that's threatening to, you know, take out the vulnerable, this, you know, this doe that he's in love with. And so he like turns and kind of like, and his dad bolts. And so there's this inkling of that Bambi is in a way, like surpassing his father in bravery and and so he goes back confronts, you know, the confronts the hounds of hell, right? Because it's fire and the dogs, right? And so, um, and then, and then whoever gets that shot off on Bambi, like, dude, when he's like leaping over the cabin, that's a hell of a shot. Like it gets props to that hunter. You know, maybe, maybe don't use it. You're getting subversive and sympathizing with the, with the hunters, Micah. That's right. The same thing I do in Avatar. Eventually we'll do an episode on Avatar when I sympathize with the Marines. There you go. But yeah, so so I think Bambi does turn and face that thing that took his that made him an orphan. Yeah. And. And I think it's promising because even his, you know, monster like ten point dad didn't turn around and face those guys. Yeah. Yeah. Is you, you had said at the beginning, we talked about this, how you realize that Bambi is all about sex. What, what'd you mean about that? Yeah. Yeah. Like it's just, but it's funny. There's like, there's this idea again, it comes back to that idea that it's all for me, like the mantles made for me and not I for the mantle and this, this movie, 101 Dalmatians does it lady and the tramp does it where they're like, Do babies are awesome. Yeah. Yeah. The best thing that you can say. Okay. So, so celebrating birth, celebrating fertility, celebrating the, the, the right of spring at the beginning is all these animals are coming to life and your kids are playing together and they're meeting friends. You, you, I mean, that's the whole for, I'd say that's all first sequence of the movie that most people remember. Cause a lot of it, when I went into like, I remembered, A couple of his friends that he plays with, I remember Thumper, I remember Flower, this is before I watched it again. And then I remember his mom dies by a hunter. But it's- Dude, I completely forgot the last half of the movie. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then I was like, oh, like Thumper knocks out a bunch of kids. Yeah, yeah. Like his sequence of falling in love with that bunny is hilarious. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they all grow up. You see all these kids who you remember as toddlers grow up to fall in love and start their own families. Right. And that the point of the adventure is that. Right. Not the adventure. Yeah. And, and it's why we used to put, you know, like a love subplot in every single adventure film. Right. Right. Because like, what's the point of an adventure if you're not going to come home to a farm and settle down and like raise your family. Yeah. Yeah. And at some point, I feel like we went, Oh, let's just get rid of the subplot. It's really just about the adventure. And like, it's what we talked about. It's what we talked about. I remember when we did our very first episode in Moana, where like, you know, long time ago, Maui and Moana are romantic interest. Yeah, it would have been there would have been a love affair. it very clearly went away from like, we're not doing that. These guys are going to be friends, which is fine. It works for that story, but it just, it's, it's well, but it's myopic and it's myopic in a way that like, you know, I guess if baby's all about sex, we're going to talk about dating a little bit. Like I remember I reached a certain point in, and it was maybe it was after my divorce or what I was like, reentered the dating world. I was a little bit older and, and which is way better. Like, dating when you're young and still afraid of it is like just a fiery hoop. And then coming back to it later, it was like, dude, I like have superpowers. Cause like you can't hurt my feelings, you know, like coming into the dating world, like bulletproof. And, but one of the things I realized after having been married and like lost, not lost all of my female friends, but like, but they, they go away. You don't lose them. They go away because you're, you're like, well, you have to transition like that. So much of life resets, including most of your relationships or at least relationships. But like your, your male and female friends are great until your female friends get married and then their best friend becomes their husband. Right. And they, and so now like, you'd better learn to be friends with a husband because like they, they're not going to be. Yeah, you're not, you're not going to be the way that they were. And if they were, that would be unhealthy. And like, probably there's keeping the back door open, you know, like, and so, you know, when, when I'm talking to friends or even myself when I was younger and I'm going, well, I don't want to like ask this girl out that I really like, cause it's going to ruin our friendship. And it's like, Hey, that friendship's going to ruin itself. Like sooner or later, she's going to find a dude that is going to supplant you and you don't get to be your friend in the way that you were. And so you better like go for it. If you want to be that person, go try to be that person. And if you're not, then someone else is going to be that person and you're going to drift away. Yeah. Yeah. So you better, you better do it. And like, take your shot, ask her out, risk the friendship because the friendships, going to risk itself like sooner or later it goes away. And then how do we get onto this? I don't know. We're talking about the animals and the whole point is to be up at the end. Yeah, the whole point- Settle down and go up. Oh yeah, that was my point with Moana is like, and why it's myopic to have these stories where the friendships don't coalesce into romance is because by Moana 2 or Moana 3, Maui and Moana are not friends anymore. Yeah. You know, it's not a, that's not a lasting bond. So anyway, that's what we derived from Bambi guys. There you go. Yeah. Somehow we did 36 minutes of Bambi, which I think is the point in the film, which mom does. Yeah. Right. So. So yeah, I mean, this is fun. Unexpected and special. Another short little one. But yeah, if you haven't seen it in a while, go back, check out the aesthetics. I guarantee there's a bunch of stuff you won't remember, a handful of things you will. And I kind of view this as one of the stories that is like, It's certainly older in the Disney canon, but you see like it's foundational for so many other stories. We brought up like the orphan thing. We brought up, you know, the, the, the royalty, the little prince, and you just, you see these themes that have been sprinkled throughout Disney all kind of present in there. So it's kind of fun to go back and see that. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Definitely give it a revisit and it's short and your kids probably haven't seen it a million times and, and it's, it's beautiful. It's pretty, it's, you know, it's from an era of filmmaking where I think there was just enough of the, like the, the artist's discretion. that you get these weird sequences where they just do beautiful stuff for a little while, you know? And like the rainstorm is like so beatnik, you know? And I love it. And I'd love to see some more of that in storytelling where these artists just go, well, why is this scene in there? And they go, I don't know. It just needs to be there. Yeah. Just do my thing, man. It's great. Yeah. Yeah. So this is fun. We'll, we'll see you guys back for next time. Please make a point to like, comment, subscribe. Also realize I haven't been saying this one. If you're listening on the Apple podcast or Spotify or any of those, please leave us five star review. Those help us out a lot and reviews. Don't forget about those too. Yeah. 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